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MessageSujet: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Sam 2 Juil - 10:22

Hi everyone,

We have a little Legacy tournament mid-july at Barcelona, and I've modified a little bit my old Sachika-Shiro Matsu deck (without FL). Since I started playing at Lotus, my strategy-event knowledge is a little bit limited, and I think my events could be really improved (and of course, the rest of the deck).
If checked the Lyon 2010 Shiro Matsu deck and I've liked the idea of playing 3xSenseki and a lot of cheap followers, but it's not really the style I was looking for.

Here's the deck:
1 Shiro Matsu

# Dynasty (41)

# Events (9)
1 Festival of Inari
1 Wrath of the People
1 The Return of Fu Leng
1 Festival of Founding
1 The First Wedding
1 The Death of Ryoshun
1 Inheritance
1 The Last Prophecy
1 Evil Feats upon itself

# Holdings (3)
3 Small Farm

# Winds (1)
1 Right Hand of the Emperor

# Personalities (28)
2 Matsu Miyahara
3 Akodo Meyo
3 Akodo Shunori
3 Matsu Gohei
3 Matsu Hyun
3 Matsu Yokuya
6 Sachika
3 Tawagoto
1 Tawagoto - exp
1 Chikara

# Fate (41)

# Strategies (37)
3 Reinforcements Arrive
3 Broad Front
3 Superior Strategist
2 Unshakable
2 Heart of Rokugan
2 Endless Horde
2 Deadly Ground
3 Banish all Doubts
3 Rallying Cry
2 Inspired Strategy
3 Determined Force
2 A Samurai's Fury
1 Contemplation of Destiny
3 Unexpected Find
1 Advance with Glory
1 Ring of Void
1 Ring of Earth

# Followers (3)
3 Ashigaru Recruits

# Senseis (1)
1 Akodo Sensei

Any suggestions?
Merci!


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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Dim 3 Juil - 9:21

Hello,

First of all, thanks for beginning this discussion, I'm really interrested by having a Shiro Matsu in my Legacy "Gauntlet".

Private Trader ? You don't play with Celestial rules for Border Keep and Bamboo Harvester or it's a mistake ?

I can't really give you advices, but I have some propositions/questions :
- What do you think of Matsu Sako ? With Akodo Sensei, it look like better than Meyo.

- Did you think that 3 anti-events are enough ? I know there's a lot of Legacy players who like their 6 anti-events not less.

- Have you choice a Wind ?

Thanks for your comments and answers.
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Dim 3 Juil - 9:37

Hi Charlynux, thanks for answring!

Yesterday I was told about the Private Trader. I thought Legacy Holdings played the same way in Legacy, so... my mistake. Changed for a Gifts and Favors Smile
Matsu Sako wouldn't be a bad choice, but remember Akodo Sensei doesn't give a Force bonus. Before Sako, I would put a 4G 3 Chi personality instead of Sako, I usually need all my hand to create The Bomb.
Yes, 6-5x Anti-Events would be better, I have to check that. Also, there are some missing cards, I forgot to put Contemplation of Destiny, for example. I have to check it again.
Wind is always Right Hand of the Emperor, I forgot to put it Smile
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Dim 3 Juil - 21:54

Hi,

Maybe you're aware of it, but just in case : you now have to pay 2G in order to put Gift & Favors into play ^^"

Here is the official link


About the deck, I have often seen Rend the Soul (link) because the force pump is in effect the whole turn, so if you fail your Shiro Matsu's attack, you can boost a peep and go again with the regular attack phase. That said, it was some time ago, some of the recent cards may be better now.

If I come with some other ideas, I'll let you know.

Good luck with the deck Smile
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Lun 4 Juil - 10:36

Hi Albert,

Welcome to this section !
I am sorry about the "Private trader"/"Gift and favors"... we have been trying to make those cards back on the Jadehand.com/forum but the Council doesn't agree.

Well : today, it is not possible to get any free holding directly from your dynasty deck during the diynasty phase.

About Rend the soul, it sounds nice. You can use it, use Broad Front to go to another battle field and then destroy the two provinces during the other battle resolution.
I would not use more than 2 copies of that card.

About your region, if you use only one, you should try The Barbarian Wall (Link). It can save your attack phase if your opponent use the Legacy version of the Outer Wall : Defensive Duty (Link).

As I am a real corrupted player, I would replace Border Ambush by Saga of Taki (Link).

Good luck & see you soon !
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Lun 4 Juil - 11:23

Thanks for telling me the Gifts and Favors thing, it's a pity, but I can understand it with Border and Bamboo. Then, only Small Farms Smile
I like the Barbarian Wall. I don't know if it's easy to get, but I'll try to get one.
I just realized that I shouldn't play neither Taki nor Border Ambush... I was forgetting the Akodo Sensei ^^U! So out, and Advance with Glory (link) in.
I don't really like Rend the Soul, it doesn't work with Broad Front, and it's 0 Focus.
I've put put a couple of Unexpected Find (link), it's free gold and a card. And, in case I find one, an Inheritance (link).
I still have to think more cards to improve card draw...

Thanks for all your advices!

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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Lun 4 Juil - 19:40

If you want some card draw, Akodo Sensei enables you the ultimate combo :

Attack unopposed with 2 peeps, play Shameful Tactics (link) on both of them, then Shadowed Path to Victory (link), and finally Invincible Legions (link). You can draw your deck and smash provinces.

For the combo to be more reliable, you can add in some Inspired Strategy (link), and some card draw outside battle.

Have to go right now, I'll add some ideas whenever I can.

If you play the deck, keep us informed, I'd like to know how the deck does ^^
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Mar 5 Juil - 7:46

Hi,

Shiba bacool a écrit:
Shadowed Path to Victory (link), and finally Invincible Legions (link). You can draw your deck and smash provinces.
I am sorry Raphael, your combo doesn't work since Shadowed path to Victory got an errata. The two created personalities are removed from the game after two battle actions. So you cannot draw more than one card.

Rémi.

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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Mar 5 Juil - 7:52

I was going to say that, I remember it had an errata late Loto. Thanks anyway, Bacool-san.
The best way to play the combo could be Gohei Sensei (link) + The Direct Approach (link) or Stronger than Steel (link), and then... Party Hard!!! But again, it's a risky combo, and I would use it with a Hall of Ancestors/Tactician deck.




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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Mar 5 Juil - 14:08

Oh my, sorry for the useless post above, I'm sad about Invincible Legions now :'(

Well, the deck will be more reliable without that kind of combo, but I hadn't thought of TDA + harpoon to abuse the formation, thank you Lestat Smile

What about Akodo's Guidance ? It could be the Ryoshun's one to get every peep 3+ chi, but the Akodo is a big blanket force bonus.
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Mar 5 Juil - 14:30

I hadn't thought about Ryoshun... I'll check it!
I would love to play Akodo's, but I play 11 ronins, so it's kind of useless Sad.
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Mer 6 Juil - 18:11

Hi,

What about "Oath of Fealty" (Link) ?
It could give +1/+1 and the Lion Clan afiliation to your unaligned personalities.

Good luck for your playtests with Pako !

Rémi.

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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Jeu 7 Juil - 14:00

Hello Lestat,

What did you think of those cards ?

- Toku : 0F but free. Combo with Wrath/Inari. More guys = more provinces for Reinforcements/Broad Front.

- Chikara XP : 2F Unaligned for 1 gold.

- One Koku : Unexcepted Find without waiting, but without cycling...

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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Jeu 7 Juil - 14:07

Oath of Fealty was an idea, but it's only one card vs 2 (Inari and Wrath)
Chikara is in the deck. I don't know what's going on with the Egg, it's putting me cards unexpectedly (I think it's too sensitive...).
Toku could be an idea... Problem is I have none Very Happy! But I'll keep it in mind.
One koku was on my mind too, but I think Unexpected Find is better.

Merci!
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Jeu 7 Juil - 14:34

Hi,

Akodo_Lestat a écrit:
Oath of Fealty was an idea, but it's only one card vs 2 (Inari and Wrath)
You are right !

Akodo_Lestat a écrit:
Toku could be an idea... Problem is I have none Very Happy! But I'll keep it in mind.
I can help you Albert, I'll give you three copies (not sure if they are MRP, but they are playable) even if you do not need it next week.

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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Jeu 7 Juil - 20:50

Thanks a lot Remi Smile!
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Sam 16 Juil - 19:11

Well, I was lucky enough to win the tournament with the last version posted of the deck Smile. 18 people on a legacy tournament, wow!
I did a 3-1 at the swiis, and Remi was the Innocent Hand that put me at the final against the 4-0 deck, an scorpion one.
More or less what I remember:
1-0 Monks Enlightment, Pakomonk
1st turn Tawagoto xp, Tawagoto and Sachika. 2nd turn Wrath of the People or Festival, don't remember. Shiro Matsu, Ralling cry, destroy 2... Easy one, I had a perfect start.
2-0 Phoenix Control, Ivorwen
I can destroy the first one but she starts controlling me heavy with the -2C Spell. Also, she has an amazing shugie that makes a 1 Ranged to everything, and I got scared... Ryoshun to that one and I destroy the second, but she gets 3 shugenja and SHIBA :S. I'm able to destroy the third one late, since she has a region that makes me unable to assign to destroy to the 4th one and I have border front and reinforcments... I eat a lot of evil portents, but I win a few honor and wait for Evil Feeds, that finally arrive and destroys the last one Razz
2-1 Phoenix Control with the no-events-sensei, Mhedgal
Price of Loyalty to my first Sachika AND the second... I destroy the first province at turn 3. The second one at 4, but he sarts THE KILLING. I'm able to destroy a Chitik at the 3rd one, but at the other one was Sezaru... He destroys all the personalities at my deck Very Happy!
3-1 Phoenix Dragons, Asako Mashirito
3 Phoenix in a row, lol Very Happy!
Easy one, I have perfect start and I'm able to control a Unique Shugie with a Kuros with a Contemplation. At the last one, I have an amazing army, and 2 deadly grounds end the battle.

There's no time for a Top, so Final and 3rd-4rth directly. Remi choses me as the rival for the final
Scorpion dishonor-Gozoku, Matsu Sliver
I decide to play without the sensei. First turn Sachika and a Miyahara with an Unexpected Find and a Small Farm. Shiro Matsu + Broad front with reinforcements and a Heart of Rokugan, 2 less provinces. No rallying cry. Gozoku on Miyahara, Test of Honor on Sachika who dies. I bring 2 people, one with honor. Next turn Evil Feeds, 3rd province down, I attack, Kaukatsu makes the Game of Sincerity but dies with a ranged 2 determined force. I lose 3 more honor, but destroy easily Smile

The deck is really funny when you get used to t, but you have to practice a lot in order to learn what to discard at the first turns.

Thanks to everyone who helped making a winning deck Smile!
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MessageSujet: Re: [Lion - Shiro Matsu] Ashigaru style   Mar 19 Juil - 8:10

Hi,

Akodo_Lestat a écrit:
Remi was the Innocent Hand
Thanks a lot for everything Albert ! When I discovered the 18 players, I couldn't even trust my eyes !!!

I'll post my own report with my final decklist here (Link) : Mantis with ratlings did 2/2.

These days were amazing... I am only asking something : why did I get back to the North??Wink

See you soon, (I'll do my best to come back before Dublin!)
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